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raven
02-11-2004, 08:38 AM
We've all been in some real tough fights lately. Legislation in Washington that seemingly goes through, then doesn't. Closure of the entire Oregon Coastline. ATV trails as far away as Michigan being closed, not to mention the backyard . . .

Do any of you ever wonder why this is all happening? Why would the greenies be so breathless to wholescale close areas to humans, in vastly differing geographic areas, and kill entire towns and cities off from economic viability in the process? What possible reason would there be to close Oregon beaches to kite flying, trails in the middle of nowhere Michigan to ATV's or even flight over the area, and closures by other green groups everywhere in between?

Here's the reason: http://www.wildlandsproject.org/roomtoroam/connected/

Under the Wildlands Project, vast areas of the United States are to be "de-populated." People actually believe in this, and are working towards it. If you live or know someone who does in the arrow'ed shaded areas -- you'll have to move (in time). In front of you is the plan, the very reason we are being pinpricked to death at a thousand different points at once.

In the Revolution, the British were evicted from our nation. In the war of 1812, the British were defeated, and occupied none of America. In the 1842 Mexican American War, Mexico was defeated and occupied none of America. In the 1898 Spanish American War, Spain was defeated and occupied none of America. In World War I, Germany was defeated and occupied none of America. In WWII, Germany, Japan, and Italy were defeated, and occupied none of America.

If we stay on the present course, the Greens will fire not one shot, and occupy 1/3 of America, and control the rest through restrictions on private property rights, and all in the name of "protecting" their hallowed Gaia (Earth Mother -- Greek Goddess).

Think about that. One third of America, conquered by the Greens . . . No other army has been able to do it. They have a plan, a purpose, and they're acting upon it every day, by sueing the Federal Government for not closing off more and more land to humans, sueing individuals that want to build in areas they oppose, and through these lawsuits and "not for profit" donation schemes, collecting billions from our own pockets while they take the lands our forefathers fought and died to give us.

Diesel LWB Samy
02-11-2004, 09:29 AM
That was very good. Thank you. Normally I am not a defeatist, but in this case there simply arent enough of us!

Political correctness is a disease that has swept our nation. There is no cure in sight either.

Your best shot to continue your hobby/passion is to move to a truly conservative state. (Idaho, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Texas, Nevada, Arizona, Alaska)

It is only a matter of time before even those states fall.

The writing is on the wall, Im affraid.

I have written letters, made phone calls, been to activists get togethers.

There just arent enough of us, and other people who dont participate in our activities dont care.

TB

raven
02-11-2004, 09:36 AM
Thanks for doing everything that you HAVE done - contrary to the common belief - one voice CAN make a difference.
At http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OHVLM/ we have wheelers, quad riders and gold prospectors - working for the same things because the land is OURS - no matter who uses it.
Keep it up, and thanks - it's nice to know that you aren't the only one out there!

Diesel LWB Samy
02-11-2004, 09:52 AM
That is a good link, thanks. I get both perspectives as I am a VERY active hiker and backpacker. Believe me, I'm fighting for my life EVERYTIME I enter a hiker site or go to a meeting. They definately arent interested in multiple use. I constantly have to REMIND them that theirs isnt the ONLY interest related to the out of doors. The trouble is they dont care. That, in and of itself is contrary (they would say) to their (democrat) open, caring, compassionate, love everybody world view. The trouble is their horrible hypocrites.

I didnt mean to sound to defeatist, but getting both perspectives let's me see how behind the power curve we really are.

Thanks for the work you put into this.


Tom B

Nobody
02-11-2004, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by Diesel LWB Samy
That was very good. Thank you. Normally I am not a defeatist, but in this case there simply arent enough of us!

Political correctness is a disease that has swept our nation. There is no cure in sight either

TB

You've hit the nail on the head. This is what I've been trying to get at all along. We all hate PC, yet we all go along with it and that's why we are loosing. We do it to ourselves.

At work we have one "lefty" that just happens to be one of the extreme PC types. She complained that I use the term "right click" when I should say "alternate click". My manager suggest I take her feelings into consideration.......HA!

Look at what happened....... one person of 30 complains. My manager is "obligated" to say something to me. I either comply, or risk being disciplined if the complaints continue. What do I do?

This is precisely how a minority is ruling the majority.

We can do something about it. Either play their game and lose your rights one by one, or don't play at all!

That is a good link, thanks. I get both perspectives as I am a VERY active hiker and backpacker. Believe me, I'm fighting for my life EVERYTIME I enter a hiker site or go to a meeting. They definately arent interested in multiple use. I constantly have to REMIND them that theirs isnt the ONLY interest related to the out of doors. The trouble is they dont care. That, in and of itself is contrary (they would say) to their (democrat) open, caring, compassionate, love everybody world view. The trouble is their horrible hypocrites.

I like to throw a pack on myself a few times a year. Hikers leave an impact just as much as the 4 wheelers. In fact, in the high country the impact is probably greater because the growing season is so short. It takes years for some vegitation to recover. Is it wrong to go hiking? Absolutely NOT! Is it wrong to go wheelin? Abosolutely NOT!

The only way to truely conserve is to prevent all access. Even then, an asteriod will smash into the earth and kill off everything. (how's that for defeatist?) Point being, we all have the right to enjoy life and our resources. That Freedom is at the core of our country. Just try to take that away from me. Certainly there needs to be some regulation, but all out restriction isn't the answer. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Resource Damage :eek:
http://www.broncoii4x4.com/bb/trail.jpg

Pic (http://www.broncoii4x4.com/bb/Lime-mt.jpg)

Pic (http://www.broncoii4x4.com/bb/Glacier.jpg)

Pic (http://www.broncoii4x4.com/bb/glacier2.jpg)

notstock
02-11-2004, 07:52 PM
What area does that hike start in? From Trinity or Kennedy Hot Springs?

Dan

Nobody
02-11-2004, 09:12 PM
Out the Suiattle River ;)

notstock
02-11-2004, 09:35 PM
Thanks! I have never gone out that way.

Diesel LWB Samy
02-11-2004, 10:54 PM
We should compare lakes and peaks. I been doing this since I was 12 years old. I get July and August off every year, so i've gotten out a lot the past 12 years.

Alpine lakes, Glacier Peak, North Cascades.


TB

Nobody
02-12-2004, 09:28 AM
Man...you're lucky. Are you a teacher or somethin?

You definatley have me beat. I'm lucky to get out twice a year. I like to go for the high lakes and do some fishin.

Diesel LWB Samy
02-12-2004, 08:34 PM
Nuclear industry.

Commercial and Navy.

Plants dont go down for refueling in the summer time!


Air conditioning takes more power then heat. Plants go down in the winter.

That's why i take off in the summer.


TB

bare 1
02-19-2004, 10:51 PM
I read enough. "political common sense" Is that an oxymoron or just a plain old run a the mill moron? Can we send these people to feed the bears, wolfs etc? Support your local grizzly, let him or her eat you. If only it were that easy.
How passionate are you in your beliefs? We need to be more passionate than these people and I just don't see it. Hope I'm blind.

Jeepasaurusrex
02-20-2004, 08:52 AM
Like my Sig line says........



Damn PC people and greenies should be the first to die for the earth.. after all, they are oxygen thiefs :finger: